1887-P VNC-3A (EDS) 080119

Characteristics are described with a degree of granularity intended for die identification more so than for die classification. A characteristic may not span the entire die progression. Thus, not all characteristics may be present in any one coin.

OBVERSE ATTRIBUTES: The Date is listed as a Near Date with Digits 1 and 7 doubled. The 1 is doubled under the flag and the 7 is doubled at the top. This single clashed Variety of the VAM-3A contains two Obverse letter transfers; an incused n in the first word of the Reverse Motto, In God We Trust, and the last t in Trust. The n is located in the Field off Liberty's Neck Line and the t is located in the Field at the Hair Vee. While the n is faint, the t is clear. Markers: None.

REVERSE ATTRIBUTES: . The Reverse contains one letter transfer. The Obverse Designer's Initial, M, is seen above and between the e of We and the G of God. The M transfer can be faint and difficult to see. Markers: A single Die file line extending through most of the lower portion of the Right Wing (Left Wing as viewed).

NOTE: The VAM-3A is a Super CD Morgan Variety.

COMMENTS ON THIS COIN:
  • This coin has all of the attributes associated with the VAM-3A. While this coin appears to be a VAM-3A, my Page Heading notes this as a Variety Not Certified (VNC) as it has not been certified by the PCGS, NGC, or ANACS as a VAM-3A. However, it has been confirmed as a VAM-3A by the VSS. This version of the VAM-3A is generally referred to as the Early Die State (EDS) version; the single clashed version. The double clashed version of the VAM-3A is generally referred to as the Late Die State (LDS) version of the VAM-3A. I don't believe it appropriate to use EDS and LDS when distinguishing between the single clashed and the double clashed versions of this Variety. I think it more appropriate to use the terms Die Stage 1 (single clashed) and Die Stage 2 (double clashed) when referring to the VAM-3A version you have acquired. A die stage is an event that has occurred during the entire period in which a die has been in service. One example of a die stage event is a clashing of dies. Die state has nothing to do with events that occur during a die's service. Die state is an observation about the age of a die within its production lifespan. EDS dies have crisp features and show little or no flow lining from use while LDS dies show their age; details begin to fade and flow lining becomes pronounced.
  • The clash event produced a single Obverse Clash Line that exits from the joint of Liberty's Jaw and Neck. This line was created by the clashing of the edge of the Eagle's Right Wing (Left Wing as viewed).
  • The clash event left marks between Liberty's Nose and Chin. These marks were created by the clashing of the leaves of Left Laurel Wreath Cluster #1.
  • There are two Die chips in the cavity of the Ear.
  • It appears that there is doubling at the bottom of the Ear Lobe.
  • Clash marks can be seen in the Field off the lower third portion of the Phrygian Cap (Cap Vee region). These marks were created by the clashing of the leaves of Right Laurel Wreath Cluster #1.
  • The clash event produced a single Reverse Clash Line that exits the edge of the Eagle's Right Wing (Left Wing as viewed), travels into the Field, and terminates between the In and God of the Reverse Motto. This line was created by the clashing of Liberty's Neck Line.
  • Just below the last t in Trust, is a slightly curved line. I believe this feature is associated with the clashing of the edge of Liberty's lower hair (in the Hair Vee region). There also appears to be a faint verticle line just to the left of the t.
  • The clash event left a mark between the Left Wing (Right Wing as viewed) and Right Laurel Wreath Clusters #1 and #2. This feature is generally noted as a Bat-Wing feature. It is caused by the clashing of the lower third portion of the Phrygian Cap (Cap Vee region).
  • The clash event left marks on the right side of Clusters #1 and #2 of the Left Laurel Wreath. These marks are caused by the clashing of the region between Liberty's Nose and Chin.

SPECIAL NOTE: A feature that has been described as a Snail due to its shape, appears on a leaf of Right Wreath Cluster #4. This feature is of the Hub and is seen on Morgan Silver Dollars that were minted from at least 1881 through 1904. A photograph of this interesting looking feature can also be viewed at Photographs of Special Interest. The Snail's appearance has changed over the years. Other features of interest are also posted to this Section.

VAMWorld Main Topics: [ 1887-P VAM-3A ] [ 1887-P VAMs ]
SiverDye 1887-P Varieties: [ 1887-P Base ] [ 3A ]
SiverDye VAM-3A Topics: [ Base ]
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Date and Mint Mark

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Die Marker

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Comment: Reverse Die marker. Comment:
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Attributes

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Comment: This is a Near Date. A Normal Date is set at 2.5 Denticles from the Bust Point. However, a date can be set "within normal tolerance" without resting at 2.5 Denticles from the Point. In this case, the Date is positioned not only left of the 2.5 Denticle mark, but outside of Normal Date tolerance (a Near Date). Comment: Digits 1 and 7 are doubled.
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Comment: The n transfer. Comment: The t transfer.
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Comment: The M transfer. Comment:
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Photographs of Special Interest

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Comment: The "Snail". Comment: Die chips in Ear.
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Comment: Doubling at Ear Lobe. Comment: Clash feature present under the t.
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Comment: Clash feature photographed at a different angle. Comment:
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General or Noted Features

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Comment: Comment: Nose to Chin clash marks.
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Comment: Comment: Cap Vee clash marks.
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Comment: Comment: Obverse Clash Line.
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Comment: Reverse Clash Line. Comment:
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Comment: Die file line action. Comment:
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Comment: Bat-Wing Feature. Comment:
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Comment: Comment: Wreath Cluster clash marks.
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